The Language of Creativity Podcast

Creative Problem-Solving – Leo Lutz (Full-Stack Developer) Ep. 21, part 1

December 9, 2021

How can a programmer help put out a blazing wildfire? Steve talks to longtime friend and programmer Leo Lutz about unconventional creativity and what happens when you pair non-conventional thinking with an open approach to problem-solving. (Hint: you get culture-shifting ideas.)

Leo Lutz is cofounder of Deytah, a digital consultancy focused on helping small businesses and nonprofits solve problems related to user experience, development, and data solutions. Leo has a knack for teaching and creative problem-solving but also a love for audio. In fact, Leo and Steve used to do live sound together for Don’t Call Us Tori, a live music showcase that Steve co-founded with musician Shannon Hurley. (And did you know, Leo’s company Deytah built the I Create Sound website?)

In this episode, Steve and Leo discuss the uniqueness of possessing a N+P pairing on the MBTI and reflect on how their Myers–Briggs personality types intersect with their work. Steve asks Leo to explain what programming IS, and Leo addresses the notion that coders sometimes lack creativity. They also discuss The Magic Castle, mixing audio in church, and pedagogy (teaching). 

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Guest: Leo Lutz

Deytah - Creative Digital Consultancy

Instagram: @only1skeemer


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Episode References:

Colorado Search and Rescue

Tick Fire - Wikipedia


Jungian Cognitive Functions

MBTI Personality Types

Myers–Briggs Type Indicator - Wikipedia

Don't Call Us Tori

The Magic Castle - Wikipedia

A2 (theater) - Wikipedia

Jellyfish Lake - Wikipedia


HTML (programming language) - Mozilla

PHP (programming language) - Wikipedia


Language of Creativity’s host Steven Leavitt enjoys discussing the ins and outs of all aspects of creating, creativity, and life with his fellow creators, artists, inventors, designers, and producers. Along the way, he gains perspective and multiplies his understanding of our universal potential for creating, living, and learning.


Host: Steven Leavitt




Music: Trap Door by Chef, Moonlight by Chef

Editorial and Production support by Josh Geenen (a very special thanks!)


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